In researching child relocation and
abduction law, I came across Jeremy Morley.
His website, www.international-divorce.com, was very
informative about the subject - something lawyers are not always known
for. I decided to call and interview
Jeremy, as the subject of child abduction and relocation is currently a hot
topic with cross cultural marriage, migration and divorce all on the
increase. Jeremy provides us with a
birds-eye view of international family law showing us how extreme the legal
standing of different countries can be. The desire to relocate is increasingly
restricted by trends in family law which aim to keep parents in closer
proximity to give children access to both parents. Most couples getting married
never consider the possible outcomes should their marriage fail. But with
almost 1 in 2 marriages in the UK headed for divorce, and similar numbers in
other countries, nationality, immigration and repatriation are things to
consider well in advance of falling in love.
Here follows Jeremy’s comments:
Jeremy do we
have any idea how many people are affected by the exercise of relocating with
children?
No one is
collecting the statistics but as the world is shrinking international
relocation is occurring with much more frequency. Most relocation is legal,
approved or not contested.
Some of our
site visitors who may be thinking about separating or already separated, may be
considering relocating to cities or countries for work, family and support. Is
there any rule of thumb?
Well you
need to be a lawyer to give advice of course. The answer is also much too
complicated and varies dramatically from jurisdiction to jurisdiction as to the
extent to which courts permit it.
Most countries look at the best
interests of the child but what that means, varies incredibly according to who
the local judge is and what the local standards are. It is a function of predicting what a court
would do based on what you think sounds reasonable in the circumstances. But
countries like New Zealand and Australia will be extremely hard to relocate out
of, whereas England is likely to be much easier.
Australian
law was changed and the judges are interpreting the need to ensure that both parents
have a continuing strong role in the life of the children as meaning that
relocation strongly interferes with that goal.
Whereas England is much more
amenable to looking at what is best for the primary caregiver because if the
primary caregiver is happy then the kid is more likely to be happy. There have
been some really nasty cases in Australia.
Can you give us an example of an
Australian case?
A typical scenario is that an
English girl falls in love with an Aussie, moves to Australia, has a baby and
then discovers he is a jerk. The relationship terminates and she wants to go
home to everything she has known in her life. But to the Australian courts will
probably not allow her to take her child to live back home. If she does go home the English courts will
send the child back to Australia and mum will obviously go back with her child
and then she will be stuck in Australia feeling as if she is a prisoner. It happened to someone I know who is living
in a remote part of NSW and it’s not fair but that’s the way the courts are
there.
So that’s the outcome of the courts
but how does it turn out for the mother? Does it affect her financially?
Yes absolutely. This particular
person is living in a remote part of Australia.
I think she’s got a job, but often they can’t get a job. She is lucky
that her skills are international because she is a teacher. But most often it’s
impossible for people living overseas to get a job at the same level because
their qualifications may be based on qualifications that work at home but not
in other countries.
What about the United States, how do
courts view relocation?
American courts will look very
carefully at what is best for the child based on what the mother’s and father’s
circumstances are and looking at who has been providing most of the day-to-day
care. If I am representing a mother in a
USA court who wants to make a relocation application, then I ask her to prepare
a complete dossier. A presentation book, showing what her plan is for the child
to be in the new place; photographs of exactly where he will live and where he
will play; photographs of the back yard and the nearby park; a map showing the
place where she will be living and its relationship to the school; a brochure
from the school showing how great it is; what she will do for a living back
home; photographs of all the family; and so on.
It should be an entire presentation contrasting the life that she
currently has in this particular state in America versus the life that she
expects to have with her baby or young child in the country to which she wants
to relocate. Australia basically rejects it at
the present time. I think it has to change because it produces great injustice.
Is New
Zealand similar to Australia?
I deal with huge numbers of
typically women, who just want to go home. They are the “trailing spouse,” they
trail behind their husband as he moves to NZ, or they fell in love with him
somewhere and he is from NZ and the deal was that they would settle there. When the relationship ends she is left with
no network, family, no friends and sometimes no job.
This must have a huge emotional
impact?
Emotionally they can be left with no
sense of being a local. And suddenly they start to notice the bad things in the
country and it becomes a downward spiral.
Is it different for applicants of
older children than younger children in trying to relocate?
A child is free to relocate at the
age of majority which varies from country to country. In reality the courts
will allow it earlier if the child insists. The children’s point of view will
be taken into account when they are a teenager or maybe a year or two before
that depending on how mature they are.
But it does often get easier when the child is a little older than a
baby. It is easier for them to have
visitation in the other country for long chunks of time. So that if mum goes back home to England for
example, then an 8 year old can spend half the summer in NZ with dad and dad
can come and visit once a year to England and they can talk every day on the
webcam. You can have visitation for
chunks of time that you can’t have with a young baby.
What are the real costs in getting a
child returned if they are taken overseas?
Oh you can’t
possibly answer that. I am sorry. It depends on what country. You have got to
hire a lawyer in the country to which the child has been abducted. If the child
has been abducted in England it is free because they give legal aid to
everybody. If they have been abducted to America it is not free. It can be tens
of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of dollars.
One thing
that concerns me with local New Zealand law is existing Prevention Orders now
have to be discharged for a parent to take the child for a holiday. It puts the
burden of trust back on the parents.
It is a
typical problem. If you are a parent and
want to take the child away on a holiday, do you apply first? Or if you are the
parent who is worried about the child being abducted do you need to go to court
first?
I think you
could take your children overseas on a holiday and say the other party verbally
agreed. I wonder if there is anything here protecting the other or custodial
parent.
Yeah it is
dangerous, so the custodial parent has to be careful and perhaps not allow the
non-custodial parent to have any of the child’s passports. It happens and often too late for parents
that should have been more careful maybe. You often have to expect the worst in
this kind of situation.
In terms of
making private agreements, can people agree for the other spouse to take the
child overseas? If it is a private
written agreement will it stand in court?
A document
that gives permission to one parent to take the child out of the country will
prove that it was not a wrongful taking under the Hague Convention as consent
to take the child away is a defence. So
the defence is established if there is such a document, it can be a formal
agreement or it can be an email. But in terms of it being a mutual promise whereby the
parent who has taken the child promises to return the child within a certain
period of time, then it is not effective.
The left-behind parent if he or she has a concern that the child might
not be returned, needs to have an agreement made into a court order for it to
have any effect.
Does being de-facto or having a
child from a fling with someone make any difference to your rights to relocate
with your child?
Assuming that the father is
acknowledged to be the father, the rest of it is all the same, marriage makes
no difference. The only wrinkle comes into
whether or not there has been an admission that is effective legally that dad
isn’t the dad. Sometimes mum claims dad is dad but dad claims he is not the
dad. That is a paternity question and if that is solved then, it doesn’t make
any difference whether the parents are married or not.
We have a lot of immigration here,
families from the UK, South Africa, Asian, USA, families relocating to New
Zealand and Australia. Feasibly we get
many cross cultural families coming here too. If a British woman married to a
South African man relocated to NZ after which the marriage fails, how does a
request for relocation work then?
Everything that I have said thus far
about relocation, and burden of proof, applies regardless of nationality. So if they are residents of New Zealand
regardless of where they come from, they and their children are residents of
New Zealand.
So in your
scenario if one of the parents want to go home wherever that may be, and if he
or she does it without the consent of the other parent, it is kidnapping. To avoid that, he or she needs to make an
application for relocation.
There is
also the issue of how other countries view court orders.
There are
70+ countries who are parties to the Hague Child Abduction Convention. Japan
does not adhere to the Hague Convention.
A child will just about never come back if taken to live in Japan. Japan will never acknowledge or give any
respect to the foreign custody order. China is probably the same. If it’s Hong
Kong it’s totally different. It depends
massively as to what country the child is taken to.
So where
would we find out the status of countries with respect to the Hague Convention?
Most
countries in the world are not parties to the Hague Convention. The US State Department website tells you
which countries are compliant and not fully compliant. But then the rest of the world…there is no way to know, every case is
unique and every country has weird rules and laws. What I do a lot of if the
potentially left behind parent is worried is to check and see if they are a
party to the Hague Convention, and if they are not do some research. If it was
India in question we would talk to Indian lawyers, to find out what are the
chances getting an Indian court to respect to a NZ court order. Then if they
give respect will it be words or will it be effective. You end up then trying to show the NZ court
that India will not in fact respect foreign custody orders.
Most of our
judges here in the USA are so worried about offending other countries that they
will usually not buy the evidence that a foreign country’s legal system is
deficient. We have to lay it out in such great detail. It is hard to find to
prove that if a child is taken to such-and-such a country the likelihood of him
ever being returned is very low. Judges just don’t want to make an adverse
ruling based on another country’s legal system.
What do you
think that people should know that they don’t know?
I think that
mothers are naive about following their heart without thinking through the
consequences. Expats beware. What is really going to happen if your
relationship breaks down? Do you realise that your child -- and therefore you
-- can be stuck in a foreign country?
What if you
went home to have your baby?
Country of
birth doesn’t make any difference. If you have the baby at home the child’s
habitual residence during that period of time it its home. However, if you then
live in a foreign country the child’s habitual residence may quickly change to
that new location. If you take your child back to your home country because you
have had a fight with your husband and your home country is a party to the
Hague Convention, your home country will most likely send the child back to the
habitual residence and you presumably will follow. Most likely you will feel
that you have been sent to jail.